Hey guys nice great looking forum, I like the way the designer made the home page top banner. OK, so this is what I got going on. About 2 days ago I had 2 saxophones come into my ebay consignment store that have no model numbers on them. I have looked everywhere and still cant find any model numbers. So when doing some searching around I found you guys and I thought that maybe you guys could give me a little advice as to what model theses saxophones are.
A small, but significant, percentage of all Buffet and/or Evette-Schaeffer woodwinds in the 1900-1930 range (or so) were Conn stencils and do not have Buffet serial numbers. In the 1990's, Keilwerth stenciled a saxophone for Buffet called the 'Expression' and that model has a Keilwerth serial number. The serial number 23999 places 09. EVETTE & SCHAEFFER, Paris Vintage/Antique Alto Saxophone Made c.1916 Overhauled! Offered is a vintage/antique Evette & Schaeffer alto saxophone made in Paris by Buffet Crampon and stamped by Carl Fischer, New York who was the distributor. The serial number 23999 places 09.
Now, I am no saxophone professional like you guys lol, so you might have to baby me though this, but any help would be greatly appreciated. I will also link this forum in my ebay listing so this website can gain the SEO power. Ok, so the first saxophone is a Cecilio Saxophone and the second one is a Evette saxophone. Here are some pictures. This is the Cecilio Saxophone!
The first looks like a standard chinese tenor sax, made by an unknown manufacturer, with a 'brand' inscribed by/for whoever imported/retailed it. Quailty could be anything from appalling to good. As could be the setup. Second is an Evette Alto. No model, there wasn't one.
B&H appear to have created this as part of their amalgamation of many makers to capitalis on the old Evette Schaeffer name, but apart from words there appears to be no real link. These saxes appear to have been made by more than one maker (not all are inscribed Italy) and I've read suggestions that some were french made, others clearly Italy, manufacturer unknown, and also that some came in from Taiwan. Some people think they're Buffets, mix of SDA and later parts, based on the bell brace and LH cluster. I'm rather doubtful, more like they copied a few features hoping to fool people. I have a similar Tenor sax, not stamped made in Italy, but otherwise very similar. Quality is OK - better than entry, but not pro. Plays nicely.
But your's needs at least a few pads. There's not much info around on either of these saxes, sorry.
Well I got around to the serial finally, it's a tenor marked #18844. No country of origin stamp either. This horn really impresses me with the big sound (Buffet??) it gets. The closest comparison for me would be an older Buescher. Reminds me of a TH&C I once had. Way different sound color than my VI.
Of course the action is nothing to write home about, but it doesn't get in the way too much once you're used to the horn. This ES is a major bar honker for sure. Best cheapest back up tenor I ever had. I recently 'Ohauled my silver VI tenor and it's looking brand new again, anyway my VI is not going to back to the bars anytime soon.
Keith, the alto you got is likely a good horn too, curious to know how it works out. From my understanding, when you say Evette Schaeffer saxophones, you can be talking about at least four different varieties: 1) Those very vintage early horns made by the company that would become Buffet Crampon from ca. 1890 through 'the teens' (20th century).
They usually have ornate script engraving on the bells. 2) Horns from the '20s with less ornate engraving 3) ES 'Master' models from the 1950s (and '60s?) that are Buffet-made and almost identical to SDAs. These have brass keys. 4) ES 'Master' models that are Keilwerth-made with tell-tale Keilwerth nickel keywork. But I said 'from my understanding' because the Evette Schaeffer history seems to be very multi-faceted and complex, with more than one company and numerous stencils involved. With that said, is this a Keilwerth-made horn (#4 above): The ad says it's 'Paris-made' but there's a ES Master alto on Junkdude of the same vintage and appearance that he says was made by JK. And the keywork looks very JK to me.
Anyone have any experience with these JK-made 'ES' sops? And if so, how do you rate them? Are they kind of clanky, 'studenty,' etc.?
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